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How to get a woman and landing on SoSuave or AskMen. And he is the sort of man I was used to back in my 20s dating both my peers and slightly older. His care and consideration is not a guise and is not alien to me as I dated men who behaved in like up until but certainly the tide changed in and every year the behavior is more gross, more shocking, more astonishing, etc.
I know good from bad. What has happened to my judgment over the past few years is that bad becomes relative. I might have suffered learned helplessness along the way. But I am not seeking it out. Nothing and I do mean there is nothing wrong with wanting that. I may wind up alone for the majority of my life by virtue of the fact that men have given over to the most basest and primal of urges with no approbation to keep such wantonness in check by our society and by men leading by example who are too few and far between.
Men want a pack mule. I remember when years ago, men used to lament how women could take advantage, be gold-diggers, etc. You heard about on talk shows, radio, and whatnot. Do me that one little courtesy as I keep trying to Wayne Dyer up myself, keep working on me, and keep being open to unnecessary casualties of a gender war brewing right under our noses.
I adore Natalie and she saved me. I thought I was losing my mind. Too many of my girlfriends were willing to make excuses, justify and rationalize but are now starting to come around when the obviousness is too much to ignore. Natalie reaffirmed rather than re-taught. I truly intended this to my a quick reply and found my fingers typing like Mozart banging the keys.
For that, I apologize for taking up space and air time but I cannot sit silent and read almost daily these laments by women and not dive in and scream: Like it or not, men in many respects set the tone for all interactions and if we women continue to buffer, excuse, rationalize, tolerate the unacceptable then men will not roll their craptastic behavior back. It will carry on for our daughters if it is already I believe it may be for the rest of us. We may be victims of a social decay and perversion infiltrating ourselves with every new gadget, technological shift, online access to dating, porn and all sorts of social connections conflating the real issue at hand.
We can either choose to be mules or more. Perhaps the solution is as antiquated as the Greeks. Sure, but not probable. Is this where women may be left with little recourse left to guide them? Women will get wise even if it takes us a century to get there. The men are currently holding all the cards and laughing in our faces as we keep trying to play a high-stakes game without any chips.
There are those of us who will push away from the table and see the only way to win is not to play. We will survive but we are alone by virtue of our lack of stomaching such a high stakes game for which long-term there are only losers and no real winners. When women stop and refuse to play, then and only then, can the terms be renegotiated.
It will take I suppose the pendulum to swing so out of whack before women rise up in numbers and awareness to see with the clarity of having watched their mothers, sisters, aunts, neighbors and friends plow the field alone before they drop dead. A Boxer I am not. I will allow this thought to disparage my aforementioned theses. I meet and develop various relationships with men continually, and most not all are selfish, entitled and demanding of everything without any consideration to what they should offer in counterbalance.
Professional, platonic, romantic, etc. Even as a child I never thought I would get married. What we believe is so important. I had relationships that lasted years but I did not think I was ready for the responsibilities that come with marriage. I was also honest about this with any man who was and those that were I let go because it was the right things to do. The difference between then and now is the attitude most men have today. The selfishness was not so off the charts as it is now bordering on ridiculous. Men pursued, they courted and would even wait before we became intimate. I had mature breakups in my 20s compared to ending a relationship now when these men are acting so badly, I have to wonder if they just want us to end it.
They whine and moan and then blame. I can be very happy in a long-term relationship without marriage so long as it is happy, healthy and supportive. That about sums it up so the lights can be put out now! I actually know someone whose youngest daughter was being wined and dined by a member of European Royalty. They had been friends for a year before dating. No expense was spared for this young lady of 20 who mixed with Royalty in Europe, was flown in private jets etc she got the full works. His mother said wait and see how you feel on your return, then if you feel the same talk to her father.
The girl in question would be described as a commoner but a stunner. So the young man returns after being incommunicado and never contacts her. In his absence the girl continued her life smart seeing her freinds including platonic male friends. That would be a major control freak red flag to me.
She is now being courted by another man who pulls Royal Rank on the other man.
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The lesson from this is that no matter what age or how much money men have they can still be 1st class assclowns with poor manners. The least he could have done was finished it instead of the fade out. If men prat about with me they only get one chance then I flush for good. Right on that one and who put her there? Yup that man or another one. The more men are told when they bust boundaries there must come a time when they stop and think but probably not. I always believe that if people are told about poor behaviour they have 2 choices…..
That sorts the wheat from the chaff or the men from the boys though not many men are left standing. MR, I disagree with most of what you wrote. I believe that there has not been many changes in human behavior, but many of us have lowered our standards and have invited assholes into our lives. There are all kinds of people around. He speaks only for himself, in that moment. His way of life will quickly stale. You may find that over time you find him less pleasant, less interesting, bitter.
A lot of comments came in. He was being open and willing to look at his own behavior too. Now is all of this a coincidence? Porn has always been available via mags, vids, etc. Men approach me and they must be at least cordial. Not at 6 months, not 6 weeks, but a week out and blamo!
I go for the brainy guys is the only shared quality I see. Divorced and settled into his singleness, yes, I am open. It bears no resemblance to mine. The bfs I had were people I met through work, friends and living arrangements. Dining out was never a big interest of theirs or mine. When we did costs were shared, or sometimes they treated, never seemed an issue to me. There was only one who did a lot of that — expensive meals, hotels and weekend getaways.
He paid for everything at his insistence, and he was wealthy. Could never understand why, when he was so nice, kind, reliable, affectionate it never deepened emotionally. One day he just stopped calling, and I found I disnt really mind that much. I was for him merely an escort girl of sorts. Did have perfect manners though. And if a man said that to me, about the porn, I would have difficulty in remaining friends. That glimpse of the real them — however nicely spoken they are, however middle class and well dressed — would put me right off. MR, reevaluate who you have invited into your life, and I believe you will see a pattern of unhealthy, at least I have.
The only purpose women served for your friend was sex. Talk about emotionally detached! I appreciate your comment. I apologize in any respect. Actually I agree with MR. Sure we have all been hurt but we deal with it, move on and change behaviour that may have put us in that situation. I have a friend who thinks that the men I meet are desperate and extols the virtues of online dating.
Yet many of the those same men have or are online dating. I have been dating and falling for a man who is recently divorced; wrestling with a lot of worries and questions — mostly in my own head. I have been comparing myself to his very attractive ex wife and wondering if he would be as excited to have kids with me as he did in the past with her. I think he really does love me. He is sweet, considerate, and caring.
And second I worry his sweet actions are just what he is transferring to me, from when he was with her. I know I need to be more confident in myself, because, I think, if not, my actions are going to sabotage a potentially good relationship. But again, I want a future with him. Why am I being so crazy? Read, read and read some more. Do you see a therapist? But, I made damn sure I got as much help as I could get.
You can do it to. Forget about his ex-wife. If her beauty was everything why is he divorced from her? What if you are picking on information from what appears a complicated constellation? Why silence the voice of your gut? Being confident in yourself starts with giving more credit to your ability to make judgments about yourself and your situation.
But just throwing it out there…ugh…one of my biggest pet peeves ever. Any person who bad-mouths their ex to their potential partners is a strict no-no. I agree totally, and this name calling and bitterness was something that made me very uncomfortable with a recently-separated man. When he then called his mother the B word, that was the kick up the arse I needed to start NC I had been dithering. We can all have negative feelings about family members or exes, but men who routinely use either the B or even worse the C word are, to my mind, most likely misogynists.
After I was divorced, my next husband had reached the ripe old age of 52 as a bachelor with only one short-term cohabitation in his whole life — and we got along famously. Lightning struck, and that was it! Someone else here was it you??? My own prejudice is, in part, due to knowing some unmarriageable men—extreme arrested development, looking for a mother.
My code word for the 1st woman a guys dates after his divorce. Divorce Clowns will cheer him up, boost his ego, give him great sex, etc. Hi BikerGrl, Sorry you went through it too. I cried and cried because I really found the guy desirable. I was his Divorce Clown abut 20 years ago, and it turns out…. Now when a guy tells me he is separated or newly divorced — I give no more than that brief conversation. Happy Trails to all of us single gals!
So many fun things to do without dates and romantic partners! Angel, Amen to that!! I cried my heart out over him too; my mental state impacted my friendships and ability to do my job I was such a torn up mess. Was just journaling tonight about how much I love my life which feels like a miracle given the pain I was in 6 months ago. This hit a nerve and I write this in tears. In the summer time I dated a man who I believed to be divorced but was only separated, and for less than a year. I realised too late and was heart broken. After meeting a string of men who were afraid of commitment, I thought this man with his 18 year marriage was at least, surely, not a commitment phobe.
And I liked him, a lot. Really, this brief episode was just awful. Hence, perhaps, my possibly exaggerated response to a MM making advances mentioned in last 2 posts. Mary, was it also you that posted about the gum popping coworker, too? If so, maybe you need a change of jobs.
Hi Tink I read your comment on the last post — thank you! As you know changing ourselves for the better is not an overnight process. But keep at it. We women need to stop feeling that a man is essential to making our lives complete. This realization and new found truth has come with age. I like my life. But I can always find something to do and spend time with friends to fill the void.
I feel the need to just stay away. To reminisce is to wish for that thing you believe will make you whole. More prayers for you and Petie. But that is not the case. I still care and want to know how he is, just like he very much wants the same. Wish it were easier. I pray for strength to get through this. I was really hoping he would. Mary, Sorry you went through this and it really hurts. When most men are newly divorced they behave like Kids in a Candy Store! So many treats to try. Best wishes for you to find a truly loving relationship. It felt good to get it off my chest.
The whole on-line dating thing is also out of the window now. That is one huge candy store for EUMs of one description or another. All the best to you, too. This is so true. This marketplace view of seeing people as commodities is a frightening one. I wish I understood the importance of getting involved with a man fresh out of a breakup before it happened to me.
He was not married but has two young children with his ex. When I met him he was one year out of his relationship with her. He had lived with her and they owned a home together for 8 years. He was also 10 years older than me. Since he told me it had been a year since they broke up and she lived in another state, I believed that he had or at least was working on moving past his relationship with her. We moved full steam ahead into a relationship that seemed to be going somewhere.
A very long story short, by the time I realized that he was still emotionally attached to her I was already in hip deep. I dealt with his denial and his unwillingness to commit to me off and on for 3 years. I broke off the relationship for good in April when on a trip together, he told me that she was coming with their two children to stay with him in his tiny apt for a few weeks in the summer.
I was floored and cried so hard. I felt like such a fool because deep in my heart I always knew that he would not commit to me because he was still playing house with her long distance she lives out of state. Natalie, I came across your blog shortly after this happened and I thank you for your insight and for sharing your experiences with us. Hi Abby — just wanted to let you know I can totally relate. You do get past it, it just takes time and sticking to NC.
My exAC told me he was divorced 4 years. I thought it was odd that he and exW seemed to text, talk and meet up excessively. At first, I minimized, because they are coparenting 3 children. He told me his exW has hardly no contact with his family since they split. He said his exW moved to the other side of town. But, my instincts started telling me something was shady.
Turns out his exW lives 1 mile from his front door. Divorced barely 1 year. Separated 4 years ago, reconciled for 2 years and divorced right before I met him. And exW has plenty of contact with his family. As I saw recent pics of her on vacation with family. Even if she has no sincere interest, when she sniffs out he has a GF, she can jump in and cause drama. It keeps him EU. He prefers to lie and future fake, because keeping it casual is the most he can handle. And then there was the recent exGirlfriend who was also a ghost in our relationship.
Another living 1 mile from his front door. AArgh, I finally got tired of negotiating, retreating, playing Columbo and feeling used. If your in a relationship, you have to ask to speak to the exWife. Afterall, your spending time with him and his kids, so you are justified having a convo with her. Red flag, if he balks at that request. At first I thought that was a crazy idea. But, I get it now. Thanks very much for your response Sparkle. Your story is so familiar!
I also read your flashback about the ER visit. Funny how those flashes keep coming back to haunt us. They serve as a reminder to leave ACs alone. Believe me I have many flashbacks myself. Sounds like the guy you were involved with was a piece of work also. So for a person like my Mr. U I was ripe for the picking. Best of luck to you. I had a flashback this morning regarding something my exAC told me. We were in his truck, returning from a day trip to the beach. Out of the blue, he says. Oh did I tell you the crazy way I met an exGF? I took my daughter to the ER and she was a nurse.
She was good looking. I got the courage to call her a few days later. She asked me when I was going to fix her up with my friends. I told her I was interested. She said your married, so no thanks. I told her I was getting separated soon. It took 1 month but finally she caved. I dated her a year then kicked her to the curb, cuz I reconciled with the exWife. I said, well this is what generally what happens when a girl gets involved with a married man.
I wanted to jump out of the truck. His arrogance was nauseating. He semmed proud of his conquest and no empathy. This story just confirms how important it is to have strong boundaries and stay away from men who are obviously unavailabe. The end result is always disappointment and heartbreak. This should have been the major red flag as I look back on it all now that he made excuses that she would make life hell with access arrangements and was scared of her.
I was there to hold his hand through the difficult times but all I got was crumbs.
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During the relationship he had been texting other women, going on chat forums and escort websites for ego stroking. But I was too soft to kick him to the curb, as I made excuses with him bring depressed and struggling with the divorce. It got so bad he stop communicating with me and when I asked what was happening I got nothing! Any way we broke up and went into NC, then 6 weeks later I get a text asking my expert opinion on something!
But got no thanks or even asked how I was!! Then said he wanted to be on his own, which my reply was he should have said rather than string me along! Selfish AC… Then two months later I see him out on a date with someone!! A complete slap in the face!! You end up with crumbs in the end.
I was totally drained from the experience. I started dating again and was charmed by a widower, but recently learned his wife passed away only a year ago. To tell you the truth, even though she was an amazing woman, the Tales of Yore started to bore me. Let someone else comfort him. Swissmiss, Yes you can never compete with the dead. I once heard that line in a film and it stuck forever.
This was a Helena Bonham-Carter film about a couple who become friends with a rich heiress, he woos her, only the heiress dies and he finds himself madly in love with her even though he was only after her money in the first place. So the couple breaks up eventually. Hi SwissMiss, And if they are older widowers, then they have financial agendas they are protecting. If they had to divvy-up the stuff in the divorce they tend to be pretty protective of their nest egg, and home.
Plus, there is factor of his children. All so complicated, seriously, it is easier for us to develop and be happy in our own lives without these men. At my age, divorced is my only real option. What worries me are the multiply divorced. Is it that the dude does not do well in a marriage due to some personality issues or was he just unlucky? My dad was divorced 3x and the reason was definitely the former. Good lessons in how not to be. I really listen to how the ex is talked about.
Yep, if it was all her fault, if he accepts no part in the failure of the marriage, time to run away fast. There really is no time limit on getting over it; I dated someone who divorced in and still was angry about it. Some newly divorced had their marriages die a long time ago.
I too worry about the end of my marriage and whether I am over it. Partially because of the circumstances; we never fell out of love, I had to leave to find work. Partially because my ex is a wonderful, intelligent, socially aware person and most men I have met since do not come even close to what he is. I am no longer physically attracted to him but I do miss the meaningful companionship. I realize I was really lucky with my ex husband and that maybe I ought to just give up. Obviously we broke up for a reason, namely problems neither of us had the skills or maturity to resolve.
He will never get closure, she, if truly a narc, is incapable of such. He needs to fish or cut bait, period. She was still a big part of his life — including, having a key to his home. Every time she called he jumped, and they still did family outings with the college age children — funny though, he declined her invite to reconcile.
A lot of them are just strange. Some of these guys will never get over their wife, girlfriend or whoever especially if the woman has dumped them. What can I say! I hope not for her sake but he still talks about his dead wife constantly and recently took this lady on a holiday to all the favourite places he went to with his wife. Your friend is going to get screwed, as she sounds like a true Florence. Has she always been co-dependent? The lady is more an acquaintance rather than a friend and I think from the way she behaves and warns all the other women off she is in love with this guy.
From what I can gather she knew both of them before his wife died and maybe she has had a secret thing for him for quite some time and now the wife is no longer around its full steam ahead. She definitely has her own agenda here. Men will do what they want, when they want. My ex husband was living with a girl shortly after we split and he kept ringing me and coming around saying he still loved me and wanted to get back together.
I asked him if his girlfriend knew how he felt and he looked at me as if I was silly. I finally figured out that what he was doing with this other girl had nothing to do with how he felt about me. The poor girl was a stop-gap until he got me back and then everything would be great between us again. What was he thinking! It becomes a pattern in their life with issues never being resolved, just masked until reality hits at some point if it hits at all. It almost sounds like there is no conscience at all- the ones that use the bridge to overcome their sorrows. Both myself and my husband have moved on however, due to the fact of being mistreated whilst married which resulted in me losing my self-esteem completely.
My belief now is that, I will never meet anyone again. Is it because of the perception held about myself. I look forward to your response. My last ex husband was a highly sophisticated AC of the PA type. He knew better than to tell tales with red flags. He had nothing bad to say about his ex wife and he loved his mother, two things which I viewed as positive. There was nothing further to add — ha! Seven years later, I was so fed up with him that I got up the nerve to compare notes with his ex and we had a lovely afternoon.
It clarified a lot. It took me another three years to line up an escape route. I left my wedding ring on top of a note before I went out the door. Here is something that you might want to print write out and stick it up on your wall where you see it every day! I was operating out of this sick premise. I guess I just needed to really, really learn this lesson. After this article, I am just wondering if I have picked another unavilable male because I am still so unavailable.
I wish you all such blessings in walking this path that is so HARD and takes a lot of courage. You have been spying on me again Nat!!! The Object of My Affections has been blowing hot and cold. I know, I really do, that he is interested, but he pulls me close and then pushes me away again. He has been divorced for many years and has minimal contact with EXW as kids all grown up. I just wanted to say after reading your post, this person is definitely an EUM. I just posted an update see earlier near my original posts.
He broke up with me, I am just beyond devastated. I want him to want me— even after he heals, but there is no such guarantee…. I am a great woman- he does know that- I just feel like maybe I could never quite compare to how hr felt about her— and that is very tough to swallow given the emotional abuse she subjected him to during their relationship. Some are comfortable in this environment, as its what they know.
This guy has a boatload of problems, and is not over the ex. There is no room for you in his life. Give yourself some time, and look for someone who is attracted to healthy. This man cannot provide it. I wish this article was penned a few months ago.. LOL because this article felt like it was meant for me to read. We dated for 4 months and shortly after started to show the signs which I thankfully recognized before I found myself in the FWB category.
Its quite fresh and there are even days when I would like to call him but I think its best for me not to do this, he needs to figure this out on his own and I will not be anyones shrink he was a great friend but I want more. Thanks NML all the best with the show!!!! I suppose because they are in shorter supply, and we older chix are in excess, they really feel no need to get their act together as some chick is always there desperate enough to take them as is.
Seems to be a lot more allegedly available guys that have major emotional issues, financial issues, addiction issues. I find this really alarming as I am a very overedumacated sort and am not hanging out in crappy bars, hook up singles venues, anywhere remotely trashy and still encounter dudes rife with these problems including attachments to exes, using women as rebounds etc. Methinks our society is headed in a very bad direction. I am finding men at my age 65 much nicer than when I was younger.
I avoid the traditional types: We all need time to recover from disappointment and loss, but some men do not have the will or energy to build their own lives. The widower did fear he would be stuck there, was ready to clean out the house, remove his wedding band, etc. He was Taking Steps. Or at least I did. It was the same with the ex. The wife, the kid, the this, the that…I was third on the totem pole, our needs as a couple came last. I made up my mind, through BR, that I was never going to devalue myself like that again.
The creatives I meet seem sensitive, concerned, and readily accept that relationships start as friendships…with a click. Maybe because creative roles require them to be imaginative, practical and in the moment? Noquay—yea, my target age group is 40ss. I do think available men get taken off the market quickly because there are more women around. I tend not to focus on that too much, because all it takes is one good guy, right?
Swissmiss It probably has a lot to do with the part of the country I now reside in. Although I am educated in the sciences, I am also very humanitarian and creative. It seems as though these dudes just want to watch life on TV rather than living it daily. I miss the exchange of ideas, the in depth looking at issues; most of my colleagues just want to talk shop. At least you give me some shred of hope that maybe in my 60s, when I retire, I will be able to leave this area, though I will miss mountains and mountain lions, and be able to travel a bit beyond my home base up north and find such men.
Is it an Anglo culture thing or a post-industrial thing? Love what you wrote. I think that because men think with their private bits — we will have to renew and make major societal rules similar to what was going on in the s in the USA — in part, family ties, dating, monogamy, and no sex before marriage. Divorce was not the norm it was disgraceful. So many women suffered depressions, shock treatments and were committed by their husbands into asylums. Unless we women change and enforce new social rules including freedom of sexual preference..
Feels so un-natural for me to not be having sex on a regular basis. Angelface I wholeheartedly agree. I think women set the parameters on sex because we historically have had so much more at stake. We still do, but it got lost in the confusion of new found freedoms e. I wish the pendulum would swing to the middle already. Noquay, I always empathize with your posts because you and I are in exactly the same boat.
I was brought up in a world-class city and have always been torn between my need for the vibrant, cultured urban world and my deep love of nature.
Very, very hard to find someplace that blends the two. The men I work with here are very interesting, educated, rather progressive and broad-minded people with many interests. Like me, they are all from other places, which is very typical in this field, and as transplants we have a lot in common. They are my equals — and unfortunately all are already married. The only single men here are the locals. Because of its beauty, this area is also a prime spot for retirees and artists which did seem promising at first — but almost all of them come here as well-off couples who are enjoying a comfortable retirement with their hobbies and grandchildren.
I have yet to meet one suitable man who has retired here as a single person. I am not going to find a partner if I stay here. Not quite sure what to do about this truth. Wiser—I live in a place like you describe Cape Cod actually. I know a handful of singles who have all dated the same pool of online men and now will only date strictly off Cape. There are things here that meet many of my needs, but the man thing is pffft. Unfortunately Swissmiss, I am a very high activity, outdoor oriented person and despite my yearning for things cultural and intellectual, do not do well in any sort of urban and suburban environments.
Lived in both and came close to killing myself. Lots of older, fit men come here for the races but find the poverty and trashiness of this town a turn off. Dating a local and the horrid, humiliating situation with the at work AC has convinced me to avoid locals like a disease. I do a lot to try and help, even fix this community, but it is a matter of working very hard and getting very little in return which I guess is to be expected. I made a very wrong choice on where to live although I also realize that at the time, this seemed a really good choice, that I have a great job, most of my colleagues are awesome, and the financial analysis of my situation has shown that sticking it out so I can retire early while I am still vital and healthy makes the most sense.
I own my own homes, pay my own way in all things, and am very careful to protect my assets because of this very issue. Tis really cool to read the perspective of another older women and at least know I am not alone. Wiser, add mountains and Id swear your friend lived in my town. Yep, teeth are scarce and hygiene can be iffy or is that whiffy. I was raised to be wannabe white, wannabe middle class by my uneducated parents and bailed to the woods at 17 and worked my way through college as I was NEVER going to be sucked into wither wannabe or redneck values ever again.
Sadly, my home community, where I lived with my ex is more rural try people than here but also had a small educated, progressive community. I guess it is much harder to live in these areas when completely alone than partnered. Hi Wiser, If you are considering the giographical solution be sure to factor in all the effects of global warming in any area you might choose to live. Best to pick a place where you can earn your way, be safe, and find a mate. Does that place exist? Best wishes to you. Where you reside is definately a factor. I am not making excuses, but the X was the most exciting thing that happened to me there.
For him, too, although he liked that atmosphere. Gosh, it was dull. I have since moved to a major metropolis. Lots of stimulation and choices. One man gave me a huge hug on the first date. Forty years ago he would have hit the road. Maybe that makes a difference? I think the article overly presumptuous and unfair. I think it will be finalized next month.
My ex has been purposely dragging his feet and our case is complicated due to the assets we own and the state of the economy which makes it difficult for us to liquidate them. I am a self-confessed Virtual, and have been a Fallback Girl for an online guy who lives km away! I asked to meet up with him in-person, but he was too afraid because he claims we would eventually resent one another over the distance — it could never work.
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I just want to stop, and move on, for good. It is a terrible feeling of being used and abused and they rarely, if ever, apologize or even see their maltreatment. I used to have a hard and fast rule of no divorced or separated men until I hit I realized I was going to have to relax my rule if I ever wanted to see daylight or nighttime with a man again. My first and critical mistake was allowing him to even sniff the steam off my pee never mind that I focused on the 2 years separated, him living in his own apartment for 2 years.
There had been no emotional airbag in between so guess what I was? The buffer, the bridge, the doormat. Painful lesson and one I will never do again. The man is a Narc so his separation status is not the only issue at the fore and ironically, due to his selfish, self-serving treatment of me, I got out in a relatively short amount of time. In that respect, it was a win for me but a brutal victory.
His selfishness was off the charts in every respect. She seemed normal to me and she is. Hell, she worked and paid for everything while he mooched off of her. He feels entitled to it too. Did he ever give her any thought about what he was contributing and how to make her happy? Of course, he took zero responsibility no matter how many times 3 that I know of for sure I tried to ask him what he did or did not do to contribute to their divorce. He left her with a 10 month year old child validated in obsequious ways to seek out his narcissistic supply on his website.
No, his ex-wife I can only imagine is a co-dependent. It still steams me he cannot accept, own, apologize or make amends to me or anyone else for that matter. I know better and I know what any woman who snags into him will get. Hope they enjoy the one-sided narcissistic relationshit he can provide and nothing more. Children do make it more complicated.
Yet another aspect he was totally insensitive about. I wanted to wait and make sure we were solid before becoming involved. I thought that was healthy and mature. He is a user, an operator, an opportunist, a liar, a hypocrite, and a stand up right bastard. He is an entitled little Napoleon with a shrimp dick and a false self to protect his fragile wittle ego. All I was to him was a warm body, an ear to listen to his grievances and his own aggrandizement. Being used and abused is the worst feeling, especially if the abuser is incapable of realizing the errors of their ways. He may appear willing and eager — wonder why?
I learned a lot of lessons but I think we sometimes tell ourselves this positive takeaway to explain or validate our experience s. Sometimes we just get unlucky and sometimes we get lucky. We try to make sense of it but I think we do the best with what is offered. The reason I say this is the separated Narcs brother met his now wife when he was newly separated.
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So you see, it does happen. It happened right in front of me while I dated the brother who was the typical EUM we write about here. Some of us by hook or crook find ourselves with assclowns, while others who are far more ignorant land up with the princes we all hope for in the end. The things these men will tell themselves in order to sleep at night is astonishing. They will do mental calisthenics to avoid any shred of personal responsibility.
But this horse manure of: Sadly, men have become so selfish and driven by their own agendas and desires, we are trampled on in their wake. Not sure why we bother? Optimism in the face of reality where men are continually satisfied by online porn that satisfies only their needs by the way and creates a disparaging standard for regular women to aspire to, online dating and texting crap where every woman is merely an object or a function, but real care, compassion and devotion is too much to bother with.
Desperate women will accept the unacceptable, the intolerable and the nere do wells in the hopes of rescuing, saving and fixing these boys into men keep doing ourselves and society a disservice. The damage is lasting if not permanent. People tell me to be open and optimistic. Every single time I paid dearly.
This from a grown ass man who pretends to be stupid when it suits but prides himself on being so smart otherwise. I have to agree with you…. I recently had a date with guy, who currently divorcing his wife…he told me on the first and only date, that his wife decided to divorce him after being with him for 20 years and 4 kids together, the yongest one only 4 years old! Do I want this man, of course NOT, he definitely not ready to meet anyone, 5 months of separation is not enough! I recognise the hurt and anger in your post and I totally relate. I was sooooo desperate that I ignored the many huge red flags.
Yes I know how stupid I was. It was only 6 weeks and I hardly saw him in the last weeks but I was hopelessly hooked. So clingy and in need of love and affection. The damage is proving to be long lasting in my case, too. I only attract assclowns anyway. I do not understand why separated men think they are single it is mind boggling. I have a friend who is five years separated with no divorce in sight despite what he says.
When my ex-husband and I separated we each met someone else within a couple of months. I was definitely done with my marriage and thought of myself as single. I eventually bought a house with the man I met and my exH is still married to and has a child with the woman he met back then. FX, your situation is unusual and pretty much the exception to the rule.
The odds of someone getting involved with a newly divorced person and have this result are pretty low. That said, there are other factors to look out for before ruling someone out. We were all young. I think I was EU which is why I wanted out of my marriage and then left the other nice man with whom I owned the house. I was probably truly single for the first extended time in my life and still EU, many years later when I met the AC who brought me to BR.
From what my child tells me, her father and step-mother do not have an especially happy marriage. No AC stuff nor related to being divorced. Just the odds of life…. I will say that I think something my mother told me when I was younger is often true. I have changed so much, though, that, perhaps, I would enjoy it and do a better job now. I also used to meet many more appealing men than I do now so it may be a moot point! Every single man who I have ever known in my entire life always said they wanted someone like me, but they never pursued women like me.
This is why getting pregnant the oldest trick in the book is what so many women have resorted to. This is why, if I were ever o not be married again, I would never ever in a million years date any man from my ethnic group the men I have been talking about. But I suspect that all men are the same. This article is amazing. When we met he told me he was separated for a few months. Then I found out it was actually just weeks before she left and I and him met.
Now he has only one month till he leaves to his own country, and suddenly he announces me out of the blue that his ex is coming. He told me that and implied that we will not see each other during that time. NOt even for one night! This is the same guy who told me a few days ago he would want to have kids with me. Donno what to do next…. Dear Kate, if he is separated from his wife, why does she have her things in his flat, and why will it take her 10 days to retrieve them? This mess with men was never only a personal issue.
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